
In anticipation of General Convention this year in Indianapolis, it might be instructive to reconsider Bishop Love’s comments to Anglican TV following the 2009 General Convention in Anaheim. At that time, Bishop Love was interviewed by Kevin Kallsen, the ultra-conservative founder of Anglican TV, for his impressions of the proceedings. Kallsen’s leading questions were clearly aimed at provoking +Love to repudiate the convention, criticize the Presiding Bishop and reject decisions taken on controversial resolutions, particularly D025 and C056. To his credit, Bishop Love largely deflected the confrontational questions, but in his answers he provided ample evidence that he was not in accord with the direction of The Episcopal Church in most matters. His statements, given then, provide a good indication of the views that he and the Albany deputies will bring with them to GC 77.
Because of its length, I have divided the transcription of the interview into two parts. Following is the first half of the conversation:
Kevin: This is your first general convention as bishop?
Bp. Love: Yes, it is.
Kevin: You’ve actually been bishop now for two years?
Bp. Love: About two and a half. I was confirmed at the 2006 General Convention.
Kevin: So you’ve been to a convention before or were just confirmed there?
Bp. Love: I was a deputy to the '97 convention in Philadelphia. I came to be confirmed at the 2006, so this is my first one as a bishop.
Kevin: But you’ve seen this before?
Bp. Love: I have. After the '97 convention I decided that if I never came to another one it would be too soon. The Lord kind of changed things when he called me to be a bishop.
Kevin: Sure, the Lord put a purple shirt on you and said “be a bishop to my people”. And now we’re here in Anaheim, California for the General Convention, 2009. A lot of church-changing things happened here that I have witnessed. Give me your impressions, just generally, as to what your expectations were the first couple days and what you experienced.
Bp. Love: I came into the convention with a sense of hope, but also a sense of reality, and knowing that anything could happen at this. And hoping for the best but being prepared for the worst. I think we didn’t hit the worst, but we certainly didn’t hit the best either. One of the things that people kept talking about, at least within the House of Bishops, was a desire of clarity, in terms of where The Episcopal Church truly is. And looking at the votes I would say that was achieved, there was clarity. Unfortunately, where the majority of the church leadership is, at least represented at general convention, is not where I am and so that is of great concern to me. And that is not new either. I knew that coming into this.
Kevin: You weren’t surprised by the resolutions and stuff like that...?
Bp. Love: No.
Kevin: I was kind of surprised that the bishops voted the way they did. I kinda had the impression, talking to both liberals and conservative bishops coming up to this, that D025 wouldn’t pass. Were you of the same impression as I?
Bp. Love: I thought that there was a possibility that it wouldn’t. At the last House of Bishops meeting we had in the spring, several bishops from all different theological persuasions or understandings made the comment to the effect that the best thing that could happen at this general convention was for nothing to happen. And again, I think that people were aware, especially after the bishops having attended Lambeth, that we really are at risk of finding ourselves outside the wider Anglican Communion. And I would argue that we already are, with much of the Anglican Communion. But there is still the connection with the See of Canterbury and the Archbishop. And I think that people were concerned that we could take things so far that even the Archbishop could no longer give his endorsement or receive us as being in communion. So there was that sense of concern, but as I have seen so often in the House of Bishops, once the ball gets rolling, it’s hard to stop it. And while it looks as though people may be leaning in one direction, depending on what’s said and how it’s said, then all of a sudden the whole view can shift drastically, just like the wind changing. And that’s what happened, I think, with this. We had put off, I think it was D025 that we actually stopped the vote, or didn’t vote and held off so that we could discuss it more in private session, but ultimately those that were in favor of it succeeded in getting it passed. I was not on the winning side of that in terms of I could not support it.
Kevin: In terms of The Episcopal Church, how does this foreshadow the future of the church? Are we watching the church die, imploding upon itself, or is there really a hope for this church? What’s your sense?
Bp. Love: It all depends on who you talk to. Those that are in support of the direction that the church is currently going think that what has happened is a blessing and long overdue and will bring new life and energy into the church. Is see it entirely different. I cannot -- again, not being judgmental of those who voted differently than I did -- I think that everyone, or a vast majority of those who voted in support of D025 and C056, I think they were well intentioned in voting in accordance with their conscience, but I’m convinced that what they think is going to happen is not going to happen. Rather than this being a blessing for the church I think it actually will ultimately be a curse on the church, and that it will not bring in new people, but the floodgates will continue to be opened even wider. We’re going to be losing more people from our congregations, we’ll be losing more congregations, and there ultimately could be other dioceses that at some point leave. That’s not suggesting that Albany is leaving, and I don’t want that -- anyone to think that -- but people, especially those that are theologically conservative, are struggling with this. I’ve talked to several people that are just tired. They’re tired of the fight, they’re tired of the direction that the church is going, and I don’t know how long some of those can hold on.
Kevin: It started really bad for me the first day when we had the opening speech from the Katharine Jefferts Schori, the Presiding Bishop, where she mentioned that, in her opinion, redemption through a personal Jesus was heresy. I struggle with that. I know that I have a personal relationship with Christ and I know you very well, you certainly have a personal relationship with Christ. Is that also a struggle, having that as another teaching in the church?
Bp. Love: It’s a real struggle. I haven’t actually been able to see the written text of her opening address, and so I’m hesitant to comment on exactly what she said. I know that at the time, that what I thought she said caused great concern, and I was sitting there thinking “did she say what I just thought she said?” And if in fact her comments -- and again, I haven’t seen the written text so I’m hesitant to quote anything -- but to suggest that it is heretical for people to think that they can be saved through a personal relationship with Christ as opposed to “we’re all in this together and we’ll be saved together as a body,” then that’s not scriptural. The fact is, the Lord talks about the narrow door. And while the door’s open for people to come through, they have to be intentional about choosing it. And our salvation is the result of our acceptance of the gift of what Jesus Christ did on our behalf, of his dying on the cross to, offering himself as a sacrifice for the sins of the world, and dying on the cross, conquering the power of sin and death and rising to new life, and it’s our belief of that gift that he made possible, and that faith in Jesus as lord and savior, and the dedication of our life to him. That’s where salvation comes from. It’s not by being part of a particular group of people, but it’s that ultimately each one of us will have to answer the question that the Lord asked the disciples, and that was “but who do you say that I am?” And the answer to that question is essential in terms of our ultimate destiny.
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