
Giovanni Stradano - Illustrations For Dante's Inferno, 1587
A recent comment by Mary Lawthers on the AVM Facebook page concerning her experience with the Commission on Ministry of the Diocese of Albany has generated some online discussion.
A couple of years ago Mary sought permission of the commission to pursue a diaconal ministry. According to her account, a priest on the commission told her that “to be an ordained person in the DOA you have to be willing to confront all homosexuals, and let them know that if they do not change they will burn in hell for eternity.” Mary naturally found this statement of belief to be both offensive and personally cruel, and said so. Unfortunately, but not unpredictably, her candidacy did not proceed.
The author of this outrageous remark was subsequently identified as The Rev. David F. Ousley. I recall David Ousley from when I was a member of the Commission on Ministry, probably some time around 2004-2005. Our infrequent conversations were cordial, and I found it difficult to believe that he could have expressed himself in this way to a candidate before the commission. So, with Mary Lawlor’s permission, I decided to write to The Rev. Ousley to confirm what had been reported. I sent him the following email through the diocesan website over a week ago:
Dear David+
A few years ago I had the pleasure of serving with you on the Commission on Ministry of the Diocese of Albany. As you recall, I left the Commission voluntarily, largely because of my perception that no candidate who expressed liberal or progressive opinions would receive fair consideration. If this impression was misplaced, I assume that you will correct my thinking. But as a former member of the Commission on Ministry, I am writing to you to request your recollections of a matter that came before the Commission.
Recently, on the AVM Facebook page, Mary Lawthers recalled a conversation with you in your capacity as a member of the Commission, in which you told her that " to be an ordained person in the DOA you have to be willing to confront all homosexuals and let them know that if they do not change they will burn in Hell for eternity." I do not recall hearing about this at the time of my service on the Commission, so I assume that it occurred after my tenure. But since it has become a matter of comment on Facebook, I want to ask you:
1. Did that conversation take place as reported? If so, did this remark reflect your considered theological opinion at the time? If it did, do you still hold such a position or have your thoughts on the matter changed in any way?
2. If these remarks were reported correctly, would you say that they reflected the majority position of the Commission on Ministry at the time? Would this correctly reflect the continued position of the Commission on Ministry, or has the position of the majority of the Commission been modified in any way?
3. If the candidate in question again appeared before the Commission under similar circumstances, would you express your opinion on the matter in the same way again? If not, how would you modify these remarks, given another opportunity?
Thank you for replying to my request for clarification. The reported incident has become a matter of some comment on Facebook, and I wanted to ask you your recollection of the matter before adding my thoughts to the discussion thread.
Sincerely,
John White
To this date, I have not received a reply from The Rev. Ousley. Granted, there have been other communications with the diocese and clergy that have unaccountably been lost in transit. It may be that Rev. David has not received this letter until now. I prefer to believe that explanation rather than the alternative, which is tacit agreement to the charge that the Commission is bullying toward candidates for ordination, as well as being homophobic.
Dr. William Hammond of this diocese reminds us on Facebook of the 1998 Lambeth Conference resolution regarding sexuality, which states that "We commit ourselves to listen to the experience of homosexual persons and we wish to assure them that they are loved by God and that all baptised, believing and faithful persons, regardless of sexual orientation, are full members of the Body of Christ". How is that commitment expressed in the actions of the Commission?
Another lay person in the diocese, Ann Carlson, commented on Facebook that she personally knew of another candidate who “had the same experience as Mary, and had heard of at least one other person who was also grilled on a position on homosexuality in that process.” As Ann says:
“it appears that it used to be standard practice. Let's hope -- and let's try to make sure that -- it is no more.”
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