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William F. Hammond

Just noticing that Watertown is not so far from Montauk as Niagara Falls.

Robert T Dodd

Bishop Sisk's statement is more nuanced, more guarded, than those of Bps. Provenzano, Adams, Singh, and Franklin. His position is, however, as far from that of our Bp. Love as Montauk Point is from Watertown.

What's your point, Fr. Michael?

Father Mike Waverly-Shank

Are you aware that Bishop Sisk of NYC has allowed blessing of same sex couples but not marriage ceremonies? His logic is that the BCP has no language for a same gender marriage.

William F. Hammond

As to the title "... A Threat?", I'm beginning to think that there could be an undermining of the canon on standards for clergy passed in 2008.

It hinges on the understanding of the phrase 'covenant of marriage' in Canon 11.8. Consider, for example, the hypothetical case of man married in 1980 to a Quaker woman in a Quaker ceremony and in 1990 ordained priest in this Diocese. They certainly live in the covenant of marriage (in the traditional sense) though not having had the Church's ceremony of "holy matrimony" and probably not, depending on one's viewpoint, living under the somewhat dubious concept of "Christian marriage" -- dubious because it has no specific provenance in the New Testament even though marriage is certainly part of the given background in the books of the New Testament.

I think it's a very thin line that separates that couple from a similar hypothetical couple married civilly in 1980 with the man ordained priest in this Diocese in 1990.

Richard Angelo

It is, to be sure, difficult to support and be joined to a Diocese that so loosely admits that LGBT people even exist with its borders and parishes. There are many here in the DoA both LGBT and supportive others who have found places to worship and serve Christ- though those places be few and far between. Our Albany Integrity group, which is small and low-key serves as a networking and connection place in small ways.

Marsha Colt

I was a member of that parish and I can count one those interested in Albany Via Media. I think being so far removed from Albany area does not help our situation. And maybe someone coming to the north country may help.
Marsha, Colton

Tom Ham

Michael, I can guarantee that you're not alone. Luckily, I get away from this diocese for several months, and in my new diocese I am able to grow spiritually. But it is so sad to come back to the place where I first joined the Episcopal Church and see what it has become here. Sad, indeed!

Good luck!

Mary Lawthers

To Michael S. from Potsdam. You and your partner would be most welcome at Luke's in Saranac Lake.

William F. Hammond

Michael S.: "I certainly will not commit support to a diocese and parish where my acceptance is ambiguous at best, and where clearly my 17-year relationship with my partner earns only contempt."

Or join that parish and Albany Via Media and then find recruits for Albany Via Media in that parish.

Michael S., Potsdam

At a minimum, the bishop's "pastoral" letter following the enactment of marriage equality in New York has convinced this Episcopalian, who moved to the diocese in 2009 and has been biding his time before deciding whether or not it was prudent to commit to the local parish he has attended sporadically since then, that it is unwise to do so; while unsurprising, the bishop's missive confirms that homosexuals are unwelcome in the diocese, and that committed same-sex relationships are not respected in the least. In some ways I am grateful that the bishop's letter has provided this moment of clarity. I certainly will not commit support to a diocese and parish where my acceptance is ambiguous at best, and where clearly my 17-year relationship with my partner earns only contempt. I will continue to be a loyal Episcopalian, and will seek communion with the Church outside this diocese, but not within, until there is a substantial change. I very much doubt that I am alone.

Dave DiSisto

In other words, the Bishop's prior actions concerning Canon 16 may come back to bite him?

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