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March 13, 2011

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Robert T. Dodd

I was delighted to find Fr. Brown's excellent sermon on this blog and thank John White for posting it.

I must, however, take strong exception to Fr. Brown's comment on this thread that Bp. Love "has always treated the progressive wing of the diocese with decency." That has simply not been AVM's experience.

When Bp. Bill met with the AVM Board shortly after he took office, I said to him, "You are the Bishop of the whole Diocese of Albany. If you win, we all win. If you lose, we all lose." I said then that AVM would like to be helpful. That remains true today.

Robert T. Dodd

Fr. Christopher Brown

I am constantly struck by how different people's perceptions can be. Fr. Blanch speaks of the Diocese of Albany as being "ungracious, controlling and defensive" in the manner in which it received the Presiding Bishop. I just didn't see it.

I was impressed at the degree to which people I knew, who had long been critical of the Presiding Bishop, were willing to set their negativity aside and welcome her in a friendly and open manner.

Did everyone agree with all the things that she had to said? Some did and some did not (probably most did not), but I was amazed at how normal and good-natured the whole event seemed.

Fr Paul F Blanch

I can quite understand what Fr Brown is trying to say in his remarks about the upset caused regarding Bishop Love's ill chosen remarks about the PB' visit to Albany. However, we all know that as Christian pastors there are certain pastoral situations that require some things be left unsaid in the name of a more gracious and Christian welcome. Let bygones be bygones. How can we achieve that level of sincere and profound conversation that Bishop Katherine spoke of, if all the time we simply want to score points off each other.
I was in attendance on Friday and felt very proud to have Bishop Katherine as my PB, and a little sad that our Diocese which claims always to be so ultra Christian and orthodox could only be so ungracious, controlling and defensive. Do we not need to look again in Albany Diocese at the concept of Jesus as the boundary breaker!

Fr. Christopher Brown

All this indignation about Bishop Love’s recognition that not all were thrilled by Bishop Schori’s visit is getting way out of hand! Bishop Love was merely telling the truth -- it was not an attack on the Presiding Bishop! There were a number of people in the diocese who very unhappy about her visit, and Bishop Love was more aware of this than others, since he has undoubtedly been the brunt of their displeasure.

Bishop Love is a deeply humble and earnest human being. He is honest and a person of great moral courage. And he has always treated the progressive wing of the diocese with decency.

Bishop Love and the Presiding Bishop have developed an amicable working relationship over some years. During the visit, the two bishops – as well as Bishop Herzog – were friendly, relaxed and cordial.

Bishop Love deserves a lot of credit extending this invitation and trying to make the Presiding Bishop’s visit into a positive event -- especially given the depth of disagreement between the national church and many of us in the diocese. The fact that she was there, and that so many cheerfully took part, despite their differences, shows their willingness to enter into “conversation.”

Grandmère Mimi

How unfortunate that Bishop Love did not choose to offer a gracious welcome to Bishop Katharine. It seems to me that simple courtesy is never out of order.

Fr Christopher Brown, I'd like to read the complete text of your sermon.

I'm pleased that you thought the Presiding Bishop presented herself well. Her "poise, intelligence and thoughtfulness – and by her overall friendliness and good will" impress me each time I am in her presence.

Lisa Fox

Thank you for this report. I hope some of the people were able to open their ears and truly listen to what the Presiding Bishop and the Episcopal Church believe.

I'm going to link to your account from my blog. I hope this gets widely read.

Dennis Wisnom

I would welcome the opportunity to read Fr. Brown's sermon. I highly commend him for the following words: "We you for the office that you hold, and the vigor and integrity that you bring to that office..."
At the same time, I am absolutely appalled that Bishop Love would say "I'm sure that some of you are thrilled that Bishop Katharine's here with us and some of you are less than thrilled." What happened to common courtesy and pure manners. Bishop Love ought to be ashamed for his comments. If it was his attempt at humor, he has failed miserably. While there are differences of theological opinion between Katharine Jefferts Schori and the vast majority of clergy in Albany, one must still respect the office of the Presiding Bishop, as Fr. Brown stated. Perhaps Bishop Love will think twice before he opens his mouth next time. How would he like it if a priest in one of the Via Media parishes said that about him?

John White

As I wrote in the Letters section of Albany Via Media,

"I did not mean to disparage Dr. Christopher Brown's sermon at the Spiritual Life Center on March 11. In fact, I thought that the sermon itself was very good. If Dr. Brown wishes to send me a text of the sermon, I would even be happy to post it on the blog for others to read."

I will even go so far as to admit that Dr. Brown's remarks were more appropriate to the occasion that Bishop Love's, which I also quoted.

Fr. Christopher Brown

Prior to the Presiding Bishop’s visit, I felt it would be a good thing for the diocese, and that it would help to build bridges. My experience of her visit on Friday – including the event at the Spiritual Life Center, dinner, and then the healing service at Glenns Falls – confirmed my expectations.

I thought Bishop Kathryn did a fine job. I was impressed by her poise, intelligence and thoughtfulness – and by her overall friendliness and good will.

Her presentation on Wednesday afternoon (reported in considerable detail by John White) demonstrated that she is a very impressive person indeed.

There were points at which I disagreed with her, but I didn’t think it was the occasion to be argumentative. I felt it was about strengthening a relationship, and disputing the finer points could wait for another day.

I doubt her visit changed anyone’s mind – especially on theological matters. But I think it changed some underlying attitudes. It certainly left me with a more positive impression. Since the diocese wishes to stay in the Episcopal Church (without embracing prevailing trends in the national church), I think Bishop Kathryn’s visit proved to be a positive thing.

Fr. Christopher Brown

I doubt that I looked over the top of my glasses; I actually can’t see much above their rim. More to the point, John has taken my comment out of context, in which I sought to be honest, welcoming and even complementary. This is what I said:

“First, I would like to welcome Bishop Katharine — over the years I have come to appreciate your honesty and straight-forwardness, your incisive intelligence, and the way you never, ever, seem to lose your cool — and we all also appreciate the gracious way in which you facilitated Bishop Herzog's return to the diocese. “

“I have never liked that expression about ‘the elephant in the living room;’ but honesty is always a good place to begin: many of us have sometimes disagreed with you — some of us even in print — and have not been always happy with what has come out of the General Convention in recent years — but all the more reason to appreciate your willingness to pay us a visit. We honor you for the office that you hold, and the vigor and integrity that you bring to that office, and we want you to feel welcome in the Diocese of Albany.”

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