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February 27, 2011

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Dennis Wisnom

After having thought more about it, I find that I need to remind Fr. Michael Waverly-Shank that I was in attendance not only at the recent Parish Leadership Conference, but also at the September event which featured The Rev. Dr. Peter Walker and his presentation on the Bible. I learned a lot that day and have kept the notes I took.
I hope Fr. Mike attended the day with the Presiding Bishop for priests today at CtKSLC. I would be interested to know what he thought.

Robert T. Dodd

Fr. Brown: "I do recognize that 'Openly Episcopal in Albany' and the AVM website publish letters from all points of view -- how could I not? And I commend them for it."

We are grateful, in turn, for Fr. Brown's contributions to dialogue. May more conservative priests and lay persons join the conversation!

"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." (Lao-tzu)

Fr. Christopher Brown

I do recognize that "Openly Episcopal in Albany" and the AVM website publish letters from all points of view -- how could I not? And I commend them for it.

John White

It is heartening that Canon Brown sees the Presiding Bishop's visit "as a way of building bridges and strengthening relationships." Given that vision, it is hard to understand why the diocese has not given The Most Reverend Katharine Jefferts Schori more opportunities to address the membership of the diocese directly. But there is still an opportunity to widen her audience, which must be Dr. Brown's desire. Dennis Wisnom of AVM has contacted Canon Haskell to see whether the service at the Cathedral on March 13th could be videotaped. There is precedent for taping events at the Cathedral, and a videographer is readily available. I trust that Dr. Brown will lend his support for this project, which would widen participation in the service and build bridges between our parishes and the Presiding Bishop.

Robert Dodd

Fr. Brown criticizes the title of AVM's newsletter, "Open Minds," because of "the implication that those who don’t share the outlook of AVM are inherently close-minded." He goes on to say that "what I read there seems as close-minded and oppositional as anything from those with whom AVM disagrees."

"Open Minds" has a moderate to liberal perspective because Albany Episcopalians of those persuasions are served poorly if at all by the Diocese of Albany's official organs. Those who prefer conservative sources of information and insight will find those -- and only those -- listed on the diocesan website.

As Fr. Brown knows full well, AVM's website and this blog lean to the left but welcome letters and comments from the right. Albany Via Media regards "Let every voice be heard" as a fair statement of Anglican and Episcopal tradition. Our only bias -- a strong one -- is against those who see those words as not a promise but a threat.

Joseph M. Liotta

Joseph M. Liotta on Thoughts on the Presiding Bishop's Visit to Albany

Really Father Brown: Open Minds and Openly Episcopal in Albany are the only lights in this "dark" corner of the Episcopal Church. My colleagues in AVM have clearly shown the flaws of Bishop Love's carefully engineered visit by Presiding Bishop Katherine Schori, namely there will be no real and meaningful contact between the Presiding Bishop and the laity.

What a contrast here in the Diocese of Southwest Florida! I am thankful that for 3 months a year I can worship at St. Peter's Cathedral where Bishop Dabney Smith presides and officiates on many occasions. It is interesting that Bishop Dabney and Bishop Love went to the same "Bishop's School" as they were Ordained Episcopal Bishops during the same year,

Bishop Smith respects those who are gay and are members of the St. Alerud Society, the gay and lesbian group here at the Cathedral. He's had dinner with them recently and has attended one of their meetings too. The result is a vibrant, loving community where all gifts are realized.

You would not get Bishop Love to even think of doing the same. So who is opened minded.

Fr. Christopher Brown

Why has Bishop Love invited the Presiding Bishop to the diocese? Yes, there is the canonical requirement that the Presiding Bishop visit every diocese during her office. But I think it goes further than that. I don't agree that it is an attempt to show that we are as “conservative and evangelical” as we can possibly be. Rather, I see it as a way of building bridges and strengthening relationships -- without pretending that we agree about the things that separate us. It is a way of staying in the Episcopal Church, while remaining true to our convictions. And while it may not be the visit that AVM folk would design were it up to them, I am surprised that my AVM colleagues are not seeing the positives for what they are.

I do read the AVM newsletter. I read everything that comes out of AVM. But the title, “Open Minds ,“ does bother me – not because I am opposed to being open-minded, but because 1) of the implication that those who don’t share the outlook of AVM are inherently close-minded, and 2) what I read there seems as close-minded and oppositional as anything from those with whom AVM disagrees.

John White

The December newsletter of Albany Via Media, released Dec 14, 2010, contained this news: “We announce that Bp. Love has invited the
Presiding Bishop to visit Albany in March. We shall keep you posted when we learn where and when she will speak to Albany Episcopalians.” So more than one month before the Diocesan Leadership Conference, AVM alerted members of the diocese that the Presiding Bishop was coming. The Rev. Mr. Shank could have saved himself the embarrassment of misstating facts had he simply read the the AVM newsletter. But probably the title of the newsletter put him off. It is called Open Minds.

Father Mike Waverly-Shank

This article about The PB's visit to our Diocese proves what I thought all along. AVM members do not attend Diocesan events. I attended the Parish leadership conference on Jan. 29. At that event Bishop Bill announced the PB's visit. The Jan 29th event was the last of three. Therefore about 1000 people in our Diocese were aware of the Pb's visit long before Feb. 8th. Does this mean that nobody from AVM attended any of the parish leadership conferences?

Dennis Wisnom

John White makes excellent points. I truly wonder whether Bishop Love sees this visit from the Presiding Bishop as an opportunity for her to address us and share with us the views of the Episcopal Church, which are quite different than those of the Diocese of Albany or does he see the visit as part of "a canonical requirement?" In other words, does he really want the Presiding Bishop here in the diocese or does he just want her to be a puppet?
It is very sad that Bishop Love only wants a small representation from each parish at the Cathedral Eucharist on Sunday, March 13. It is also sad that the Eucharist isn't on a Saturday where more people could participate. But this just all speaks to a planted agenda purposely designed by Bishop Love to portray the Diocese of Albany as conservative and evangelical...nothing else. If the Presiding Bishop came to the Diocesan Convention in June that would be awesome because more people of the progressive and moderate persuasions would come. And she could see firsthand how closedminded this diocese is to dialogue and diversity of opinion and representation on its committees and comissions.
I am excited that Presiding Bishop Jefferts Schori will be visiting us. My question though, is the rest of the Diocese of Albany excited about it too?

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