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June 12, 2009

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Rev. Paul Hartt

[The Rev. Hartt's comment as it apears here has been edited for length. The Editor]

There is a fundamental point here for the future of our Diocese's mutually beneficial discussions. For the reasons that I stated, what was "inflaming" was the text of the original resolution itself. But much, much more importantly, the Resolution, as Via Media's view of this matter, is "delimited" in bracketing out TEC Constitution's clear statement that we are a constituent member of the Anglican Communion, a fact quite legislatively witnessed by our own Episcopal bishops passing resolutions at Lambeth. The "delimited" view turns The Episcopal Church into a North American protestant sect and nothing more -- it flies in the face of our historic and Constitutional claims of Catholicity and Communion.

I have not the slightest resistance to removing names from the altered resolution -- not the slightest. What I do have concern about -- and this is about promoting conversation -- is people taking responsibility for the logical consequences of their actions before Convention. In response to my first post, Mr. White has made an assertion without offering proof about the polity of our Church. It it is rather the present leadership of TEC that holds an "eccentric interpretation" of our Polity. I base this on the well-reasoned ACI statement -- which, as I said, was signed not only by faithful bishops of this Church but a former Episcopal seminary Dean at Yale and full professor at GTS.

The Archbishop of Canterbury's statement following our General Convention does not seem to appear on this site. Why? What would promote helpful conversation would be to have a reasoned response to it by Via Media members.

John White

What astonishes me is that Rev. Hartt is dredging up a matter that had effectively been closed, except, it appears, for him. But since he has chosen to re-ignite the controversy, it is important to remind readers that, as one of the authors noted, "the resolution as adopted at convention differed significantly in both content and intent” from the language originally offered. The Bishop, in a PDU update, acknowledged the request of the authors to have their names removed, and there the matter rested. The original request to have the author’s names suppressed was not an “emotional” response, but a simple issue of fair parliamentary procedure. It is also useful to note that his “view of our Church’s polity” is definitely outside the established understanding of The Episcopal Church. And the Constitutions and Canons of the Church do not support his eccentric interpretation of the status of dioceses within the Anglican Communion. In conclusion, The Rev. Hartt’s attempt to inflame the matter once more is not helpful in promoting the conversation.

Robert Dodd

Fr. Hartt:

"We were all about to enter Convention without a single controversial resolution."

And that's desirable why?

Rev. Paul Hartt

It frankly astounds me that Via Media members take no responsibility for their own upset.

We were all about to enter Convention without a single controversial resolution. It was Via Media members that supplied two rather provocative ones. They did so fully knowing that both resolutions – as evidenced by the final vote - would fly in the face of the prevailing attitudes of our Diocese.

Indeed, the particular resolution in question here was crafted to repudiate our own Bishop, as well as other Bishops and faithful clergy scholars'-- including that of a former Episcopal seminary Dean at Yale and full professor at GTS -- view of our Church’s polity.

Yet not only are we as a Diocese overwhelmingly in accord this view of our polity, the resolution then went on to address matters of “allegiance” in an intentionally delimited manner that doesn’t even accord with our own Constitution and Canons with respect to the status of our relationship to the broader Anglican Communion.

I certainly understand emotionally the reason that the proposers of the resolution here in question now wish their names did not appear on it. But this is a procedural matter and the risk anyone takes whenever they go before Convention with a resolution of any kind.

William F. Hammond

Are all PDU updates being published on the Diocesan website? I see some there, but I don't see anything related to this topic. In fact, other than Bishop Love's address, I find nothing anywhere in the Diocesan website concerning what happened during the Convention. Are my eyes failing to find things?

John White

Rev. Joel,

Thank you for asking the question. Now, one of my own. If the resolution is the property of convention and not the first movers of the proposal, then the movers are not responsible for the wording and should not have their names appended to it. Your argument supports my conclusion and upholds my demand. Secondly, you know very well that to support General Convention according to the limits of the Bishop’s Statement is to deny the Episcopal Church it authoritative power, and therefore is a non-endorsement. A goal of the Bishop’s Statement is to limit the control of the national church, i.e. the authority of General Convention, over the constituent dioceses of the Church. Lastly, the “power play” was executed by convention when it turned the original resolution on its head in order to make a political statement. I am awaiting “words of clarification” which make clear that the persons who moved and seconded the proposal are removed from the published resolution. Nothing less than such a retraction is acceptable, from where I stand.

The Rev. Joel Grigg

Two points and one question.
First, when a resolution is offered and acted upon by Convention, the resolution belongs to convention and not the individual who moved the resolution.
Second, to whoever wrote the original post, I suggest you give your brothers and sisters throughout the diocese more credit for common sense. The changes are obvious as well as the similarities. The resolution called for the Diocese of Albany to express its loyalty to TEC. It does this. What it doesn't do is give unquestioning or unreasoned support for TEC as the resolution did at first. It also does not support a convention that has yet to meet.
The bottom line to this is that the Diocesan Convention once again said that we want to remain in TEC. Isn't that what the Albany Via Media wants? What we refuse to do is deny the historic faith.
Now for the question. Who are these "diocesan loyalists?" Might I suggest that a simply note to the specific individual would probably take care of the situation. Blanket accusations are not helpful. In other words, John (since you appear to have written the demand), please stop the power play. Calm words of clarification in the spirit of love speak much louder than demands.

Robert Dodd

Kipling's "If" is relevant here:

"If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools..."

For shame!

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